What do we expect for Borderlands 4?!- The Cutting Board

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So, there's a little game that was teased, announced, whatever have you, at Gamescom

It goes... Very small. Very tiny. And I don't know if you know this. Maybe a little bit. There's no signs. There's no signs behind you. There's nothing like there to indicate you're a fan of this franchise. But it's called Borderlands. And Borderlands 4 is officially official. A little teaser trailer was dropped at Gamescom. And we're here today to kind of deliver our expectations, our wants, our needs from this game. Because it's safe to say this is long, over

overdue. Now, I'm going to pass it off to you first. Let's talk a little borderlands here

What are your, I want to say your expectations for Borderlands for

To start with, I am deeply disappointed as to when they decided to announce the game. I think

that it was a terrible time to announce it because fan expectation and just like overall hype

for the series in general is like at an all time low thanks to the movie

And so, like, really, I think releasing that whole trailer now is a big mistake

They should have at least let it the movie press die off first because of how poorly it was received

But, I mean, other than that, I mean, my feelings are more or less mixed

I mean, like, I'm a huge fan in the series. I absolutely love it. I mean, I have a touch on a show that I love it

But, like, really, the first two. great. I'm even a fan of the pre-sequel, despite it not being as good, but three is where you start

to see it die off. And I, my expectation for four is for it to be mechanically amazing

because three was mechanically sound, and it was far better than two when it's just come

it comes down to gameplay. But when it comes to story, I don't have the biggest expectation for it

Because I feel like I want it to be a more serious borderlands

and for it to go back to satirical humor and more situational humor

versus there being like potty humor and a bunch of like just immature jokes that didn't really

that wasn't there for the start of the series. And if they go back to relying on like memes and

like immature toilet humor like they did in three for a majority of the jokes

then that's where they're going to see a lot of people just start to really hate it

and then that's where they're going to lose a lot of their fan base and I mean I'll call out YouTubers like

you know like Moxie for instance is one of them Killer Six is another

they will defend the series to the death because probably because they're paid off from Gearby

bucks, but also because they're like Disney adults. They won't see where

the negativity is. Yep. And instead, they'll just be like, oh, no matter what

everything Disney does is fine, even though they are taking like 900 more dollars

out of something that doesn't cost that much. Yada, yada, yada. But

really, the downfall of Borderlands 3 was a story. And so if they keep that up in borderlines for it will make or break the game or then the franchise at a hole really now to get back to what you said at the very start if you were in charge you don't really know how the movie would fare honestly you made the movie and you kind of just set it out you might have an expectation or a thought like this could go one way or another but would you have done the reveal for the game first then launched the movie and you kind of just set it out you might have an expectation or a thought like this could go one way or another but would you have done the reveal for the game first then launched the

movie? Or do you think that's, you're kind of at a lost, loss there

I mean, 100%. I think they should have revealed the game first. They would have

and with the game reveal, they could have done something involving the movie, too. They could

have said, like, oh, here's borderlands four. Now also go see the movie or whatever. And that would

have made the movie, that would have put the movie in more of the, like, light right there and

allowed more people to want to go see it probably. But instead they released it in the other order and it took the franchise, bombed it

and then went, oh, now here's this game that you might care about. It's like, yeah, you're just shining a turret at that point, at least as of right now

I think I agree with you with this notion that Borderlands 3 kind of, it's weird

Is this the right way to say it? It looks like a boomer made it where it's like the two villains were these live streamers that was big at the time

And it still is. But like they were really trying to hammer that point home

These are two young influencers who are live streaming everything. And it was like that bare bones like understanding of the culture at the time

Now, Borderlands 1 and 2 still have. have that aura about them where it's like I love these games they're very just I can go back and

play them at any point and just I enjoy it it's too it's so much fun now as far as expectations

for borderlands four one thing I think that makes borderlands borderlands is the weapons and the

vast amount of weapons I think we're at no shortage here when we say that this game's

going to have a lot of guns which I am there for but

when we pitched this video a little idea that came to mind have you play cyberpunk 2077 or no a little bit i never got into it to the greatest degree but Okay so there is a weapon in that game that like has this AI built into it

and it's basically, like, comedic relief. There is a weapon like that in Borderlands

I forgot which one that, like, it's like the pew. It makes all the pew noises when you shoot it or whatever

It depends on what you're talking about, because there's multiple. Oh, so there you go

There's multiple crocking weapons. But I think it was a white one

I think I remember that was the color. I don't know. But I think what Borderlands 4 needs outside from a vast amount of weapons in general

which there's probably going to be over like two million guns, whatever

I think there should be a thing within the game that lets you customize the weapons themselves even further

Like you get the weapon and let's say you scrap a copy of it, much like Fallout does with mods and stuff like

like that, where it's like you get the base gun, you can add on to whatever you want

change things out, colors, whatever, customization. I think that should be where they focus more on

Not the amount of guns is how much you can do to a certain set of them, which I think that

would add, but it's a looter shooter, like, that's what it is. I'm completely against that, man

Really? Yeah, like, I would not want to customize my own weapons in that

Because part of, like, the fun of Borderlands is to grind out getting, like, weapon drops and everything

And, like, really, the vast adversity of the weapons is part of what makes it fun

Because you never know what you're going to get, and it makes it unique every time you play

That's part of the reason why I loved the original one to begin with. But, like, if you start getting into that whole, oh, well, now you're just going to, like, edit and, you know, customize each gun

I mean, really, you're just turning the game to Call of Duty at that point where it's just like

oh, hey, yeah, I'll make my own load out for this weapon. And it's like, I don't, I don't think anybody in the series

like any fan in the series would actually really want that because I think they'd be like

I think they would say that it would take away from one key aspect that actually makes Borderlands

what Borderlands is. Yeah, no, I can see that. And another quick thing I had was

the handling of vehicles. in this game. I think it's high time we get better controlling vehicles within this game

I get there have been improvements made in each entry. But I don't know

I get the point of the game you run around and you like loot, you shoot, do whatever

But there are sections with vehicular combat. There are sections where you have to traverse a map, a vast distance, and you're using a car

I just think like a cool, maybe upgraded or refined. version of what they have now, that would be welcome

Yeah, I mean, them refining the, the killer, like, combat and everything, like, just the way vehicles

work in general would be nice. I mean, it's kind of, like, old-school, like, Halo controls and stuff, and it's, like

they can be kind of janky, it can be kind of difficult to control them under certain circumstances

I think them really redefining on, like, every control for the weapon, like, for a

weapon, but vehicles would be a lot better. but I mean one of the things that I really want from them in general

like if we're talking like gameplay wise I want them to focus really on like

abilities again like they didn't three of like going off the wall with like

expanding abilities like I loved that in like I love that part of three

where they had for each character they had four skill trees yeah and I think that that's something that they should really do again

is they should focus on making every character's abilities as expandable as possible

And so, like, most, for instance, like, I loved, like, her four skill trees

and how you could, like, change, like, the way Iron Bear works and everything with different weapons

And then, like, with Amara, I really liked how they did the whole, oh, yeah, it changes, like, how her

like, whole cyber ability functions. Where, like, one, you have, like, the great

the phase grass, the other one's just a punch and everything. And I feel like

going forward like, well, one, I definitely don't want them to do

like old characters. Like, I don't want them to bring back old characters as the playable characters

Like, unless we're talking Tiny Tina. Then they should make Tiny Tina

a playable character. They should have done that all along. But, um, but I digress with that one

But like, if they were to bring back like Lilith and Mordecai and brick and stuff from the first game

just to allow you to choose from them or allow you to choose from any of the vault hunters

that already exist I would feel a little disappointed in that because they've always changed it with every game

and so like I would love for them to do new characters yet again

but like I said just really expand on that skill free aspect

give them unique abilities that are like able to be changed again

to fit certain circumstances or fit a certain build. Now, I'm going to ask you this question

and I'm just going to label you as the Borderlands expert here

Would you prefer this game to take place on one planet, or do you want something like a Jedi survivor

where you go to different planets, you explore, there's different, like, biomes on the map, like a Halo Infinite

Like, what do you want as far as the map goes? So, like, map-wise, I

see I was very much disappointed with how they handled three with the multiple maps like I feel like with how many maps they made

it was way more than they should have and it overcomplicated the game made it so that you had to travel way too often

and so I would love to see them go back to the whole focusing on one maybe two planets like it looks like from the trailer it looks like

Elvis will play a role and I'm sure Pandora will play a role because it always does

and it looks like the Eridian home world will play a role

and so like I would love for them to just focus on just those three

don go beyond that because if they go beyond those three then they going to end up going into the same issue with Borderlands 3 where each world felt kind of rushed

But like each world felt a little lackluster in some way. So like, and one of the biggest ones in three was Eden 6, like the, like the swamp planet

Like that one, it should have been, it should have been great

There should have been a massive war going on there because it was a high

hostile takeover at the Jacobs Company, but there was no massive war going on on the planet

It felt kind of barren and didn't really feel like there was a lot

of stuff going on. That's what I think games like Fallout and Bethesda

do so well in Fallout 4. I'm talking about like Far Harbor

stuff like that, where you have your main hub world, and then you can fast travel to like

another scaled down version of a much bigger area. I think that's what Borderlands should do in a way

I know there's like certain things that make the game the game, but doing that allows

you to one focus on the main game, your vanilla experience, you want to make sure that's jam

packed with things. But then later down the line, you're like, all right, let's go to this planet or let's do

this, like a new, I don't know, like a new weapon manufacturer facility you go to and you

fight there. I just like that idea of giving, giving you the base, the roots of the game, and then

later down the line, here's an offshoot branch of this section of the map or this. Like, do that

or add some verticality for all I care. Just fill the world. I like filling the world with

things and people. I mean, that's what they did with like, borderlands too will always forever shine

is like the beacon of the perfect game basically in the series

And if they could do everything that they can to emulate what Borderlands 2 did

then I'd be all for it. But like, they had Borderlands 2, and then they did exactly what you talked about

They expanded on that, where Borderlands 2 focused only on Pandora. You went further into Pandora

You went on a massive map. but then every DLC was you had like the Tiny Tena DLC

where you went to a different map and it was all bunkers and badasses or I can't even think of the DLCs right now

you had that one that goes up the the Digistruct Peak or whatever

that just added a new area where you just go and fight through

Didistruct Peak over and over again and that one was good it was a long fighting area

but like then you also have like the smaller DLCs like the TORD DLC

like all the headhundred DLCs. Like, the small, like, Headhunter DLC for Tor, that was another little map

Like, each headhunter DLC was just its own little map that was good

Yeah, it's to look at this game, Borderlands 4 specifically, it's under a bigger microscope

because this is a, I would assume, 2025, am I really hedging my bets

that a new next-gen console is coming out by then? No, it's not. not

No. Console, uh, lifespan are typically eight years. So we got them

what, in 2018? I think it was, 2019 or something. So we aren't going to get PS

like, PS6 and like Xbox 720 or whatever until like, like, probably

2026 or 2027, I would assume. Yeah. I guess my main thing

thing there was these are going to be, well, these are next-gen borderlands games anyway for really

going by technicalities. These games are going to have to be bigger in pretty much every facet. So

I'm going to be very interested to see how they handle that. Because getting this hardware we have now

the PC, the way we know that is, there's a lot on the table as far as what they could do with the

game and I'm not trying to say like completely flip it on its head I'm just saying beef it up like

make it freaking awesome top to bottom make it perform well I need visuals to be on par I love that

art style they have for this game I've always loved that and it seems like they're getting rid of

the art style a little bit I mean at least in the trailer the the cell shading did not look

at as much reminiscent as two and three so I'm just going to

Going with this idea that that was like a live action, whatever cinematic trailer

and then we're going to get the gameplay eventually. Do you think we get gameplay by the end of this year

Typically, they do things like six months. So like I would assume beginning of next year

I'm going to guess right now it's going to be just judging by like how they'd like to release things

My guess is going to end up being March. Okay. I could see that

March next year. I think that's when we're going to get a gameplay trailer. Fair enough

I'm there for it. I need more. I need more of this game, even though this minute and change trailer

it's not enough for me. It's not enough. Yeah. But I mean, like, really they

I'm feeling March 2 as well because, like, you have good releases coming all the way up

Yeah. Until, like, December. It's going to be overshadowed. Oh, yeah. No matter what, they release gameplay

it's going to be overshadowed by all these releases. and then beginning of next year

you don't have any releases that happens all the time where there's no releases at the start of the year

so that's like the perfect time to release trailer next year's gonna be tough

I mean we have the Switch 2 hopefully maybe I don't know

you doubt it at this point GTA 5 that maybe hopefully fingers crossed

I probably just jinxed it but yeah 2025 is going to be a massive year in gaming

Everything's coming back. Everything. All the good stuff, which I'm excited for. Yeah

No, it will be. Like, I'm speaking of that, really, in the trailer

I mean, there's, like, I talked about in an article, there's a

brief flash where you have, like, one frame after the, uh, after the whole

20 wish list now thing Where people point out that it looks like it says like Monday 15 like right afterwards

and the and people point out that the only Monday the 15th in the entirety

of 2025 is in September which would make sense for them because like

September is their like typical like release time yeah where they will

release like Borderlands 2, Borderlands 3, both of those released in September

They typically will reveal stuff around September and everything. So like, really next year, September, I could see it on the 16th, not the 15th, because

they wouldn't release on Monday. Yeah. So like really September 16th is when I would see the release day for it being

So that's a good time considering everything releasing next year. Yeah. Spaced it out

space it out as much as you can. We might be onto something. We might have the release date

Title of this video, release date for Borderlands 4 revealed, question mark

It writes itself. Or handsome jack confirmed question mark? Because like, I mean, if we're breaking down the trailer

I mean, there is that whole mask that they show off. And it's very brief, but they show off that, like

mass face that happens to have the borderline, like the vault symbol on the face

and like I said, I mentioned that in the article too, where, like, a lot of people point out that's, like, similar to Jack right there

Because he has the borderline, like, he has the, you know, vault symbol, like, etched into his face

But the only thing that I pointed out is that, like, everyone's talking about, like, how it's, like, Jack, but I'm not entirely sure

Because if you look at it, Jack's face, the borderline, the, well, I keep pointing to say

the borderline symbol, but the vault symbol is the opposite direction on this face. So I don't think it's him

Unless it's a mirrored image, I don't think it's him. Conspiracy theories

already for the trailer and it's been out for a few hours, so there's a lot to unpack in that

little minute clip. Well, I mean, there is. I mean, even the

CEO of Gearbox said that, like, we, not everybody has figured everything out, but there is a good

list of stuff that people have seen but I will point out the other words the other images in it there's like the two the two images of like the iridium text or people are thinking that it says one of them they think says he is coming and then the other one says break free

so another thing for handsome jack there because they're thinking like oh he's referring to oh he's coming back could be

And then the other one, like, being break free is like, oh, he's been locked away or something after the events of, like, two

But, like, really, he died and two. I mean, let's just face it, he died

He is dead. Unless we're going crazy, he's not coming back. I guarantee you, unless it's Timothy, his clone or whatever, I think that's an English one

Like, going crazy too. I don't think that we're getting handsome jack back

But what I do think is that in three, it talked about how there was that seventh siren that, like, is hidden and shouldn't be looked for

I feel like the whole he is coming thing is referring to the seventh siren, but also sirens are supposed to be female, so it doesn't really add up there too

So there's a lot. It's a little bit, little bit. Can't really figure it out my, I want to, though, for the sake of it

I want to guess that it's going to be a Simon Hunter. You heard it here first

This is where it's happening right here on Game Sandwich. I mean, shoot, what better way

It's a Simon Hunter. If it's a Simon Hunter, I totally called it. There it is

We'll mark it down here in history. But do you have any closing thoughts about Borderlands 4

The only thing I can really say is that it, gearbox really with this one

this one is make or break for them. It truly is. A lot of people know it

after everything with three and after hitting the new tales from the borderlands and that flopping

and then doing the movie and that flopping like the only good thing they've done in the past

like four years or five years is the Tiny Teener's Wonderlands and even that was

only mildly received better than everything else like so really when it comes down to it

gearbox knows this is make a break for the franchise and they need to pull everything

they need to pull out all the stops for it, and they need to make it good again

not just pack it full of toilet humor, a meme humor that won't hold up five years from now

If they can do that and they can stick to their story and make it good

I really feel like this can make it for the franchise, but we're just going to have to see

We are going to have to see, and in case you want to talk more borderlands i think it's safe to say we're going to be talking a lot in our

discord channel links to that is in the video description down below i'm hyped for borderlands for i can't

wait i also can't wait to see the cover if the the guy on the cover is doing this or whatever he's

gonna do oh that could be it that maybe we cracked the code there i don't know it's always i like covers

of video games they're always nice especially borderland they make good video game covers

Very colorful, very nice. Why do I feel like the cover? Why do I feel like the cover is going to be like the boarlet, like the psycho

But it's going to be like four different people holding guns to them like this

The speculation, it's going off now. Now I can go off for days about that

It's like Left for Dead whenever they did Left for Dead one. Oh, it was four

Yeah, I'll have the cover up there. I was just looking at it. But I'm getting sidetracked

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